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And by ‘card’ I mean ‘number I punch in’. Which is in the 650 area code, in the Bay. And has been taken over by some other guy. So whatever data they may be gathering on me, they’re actually assigning to a guy named Don who lives in the Bay area.

Funny story, I have the same thing. I enter a number that used to be our phone number, but Safeway thinks it’s for a “Donald Winbigler”. (No, I’m not making that last name up!) It’s in the same area code.

Strange coincidence… ;)

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]]> By: isildur http://www.lietcam.com/blog/2007/12/16/just-drink-the-kool-aid-it-wont-kill-you/#comment-77933 isildur Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:59:08 +0000 http://www.lietcam.com/blog/2007/12/16/just-drink-the-kool-aid-it-wont-kill-you/#comment-77933 We've been using the same Safeway card for years and years. And by 'card' I mean 'number I punch in'. Which is in the 650 area code, in the Bay. And has been taken over by some other guy. So whatever data they may be gathering on me, they're actually assigning to a guy named Don who lives in the Bay area. I've noticed they give me coupons at the checkout when I buy things, and they're for the things we tend to buy a lot -- particularly baby formula and diapers. So I suspect that poor Don gets flooded with baby coupons every time he goes to the store. We’ve been using the same Safeway card for years and years. And by ‘card’ I mean ‘number I punch in’. Which is in the 650 area code, in the Bay. And has been taken over by some other guy. So whatever data they may be gathering on me, they’re actually assigning to a guy named Don who lives in the Bay area.

I’ve noticed they give me coupons at the checkout when I buy things, and they’re for the things we tend to buy a lot — particularly baby formula and diapers. So I suspect that poor Don gets flooded with baby coupons every time he goes to the store.

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There was this story last month about how the FBI tried to find Iranian terrorists by looking at who was buying Middle Eastern food. I agree with the Slashdot link that the grocery stores are a bad place to source that kind of data — recent immigrants looking for authentic foods probably aren’t shopping at Safeway anyway, and I believe SpecialK’s story about corporate inertia with the transaction logs too.

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As far as data mining goes, I really have to wonder someone can find out about you by what you buy from a grocery store. I mean, does buying Twinkies on Tuesdays make me a CIA operative?

Personally, I wouldn’t mind coupons sent to me for products I actually buy, and don’t see what else they could do with your info that would affect you (besides something like sending you a membership discount for the local gym because you buy lots of junk food).

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